I just found a rather critical bug regarding grid damage repair. If you try to delete blocks that are damaged on a gird, even if the damage was small, the damage will often spread to other parts of the ship even opposite of the side that took damage.
This is reproducible. Take any ship and just do a small amount of ramming damage to the side of it. Remove the entire side and copy/paste the undamaged side to the damaged side (or replace manually, doesn't matter). The damaged side might appear repaired but when you look on the other side of the ship opposite the damage there is suddenly damage that appears that wasn't there after impact.
I first noticed this issue after a large ship had a tiny dent from a tugboat. I repaired the damaged spot but blemishes appeared permanently. Even if I delete the whole half of the ship and paste the other clean side they'd still appear like there was some type of damage memory. I kept building on the ship and noticed that now damage was spreading to all internal armor and even appearing on the opposite side of the ship where the small impact happened. And when I'd delete and replace armor, internal spaced armor which wasn't even touching the exterior was getting massively damaged. It eventually spread through the entire ship and I've now deleted about half the armor from this damage spreading like wildfire and have to scrap that build.
With this wildfire damage bug, if a grid takes damage you might as well just delete the thing rather than try to repair.
I have 2 videos reproducing this issue and wish I was recording the previous 2 times where this happened in even more drastic ways and I encourage you to test this on your end because something is massively wrong here.
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/1c5n5ujk56z3von5wwb97/APhADEE9FmnWmvl1smr9iYs?rlkey=8ci2okmochgibaucb8nep5bv1&st=bajseoqu&dl=0
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpVuDp6x4BE - SE2 Partial Non Mirror Copying Damage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=us6mInQD84w - .... Mirror Copying Damage
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpVuDp6x4BE - SE2 Partial Non Mirror Copying Damage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=us6mInQD84w - .... Mirror Copying Damage
SE2 as of 1136 HST, 31JAN2025
Narrowed down replication of the issue to partial copies of grid. See attached video for before and after. Seems to happen regardless of mirror or non-mirrored partial copying
Grid copied for the video was built from scratch just prior to video start, not pre-copied / does not include damaged parts copied
Videos do not show however similar damage shows up across the nearly 200,000 PCU grid, on complete opposite ends, in both linear and non-linear paths from the copying spot.
No thrusters have been inside the ship to cause thruster damage
SE2 as of 1136 HST, 31JAN2025
Narrowed down replication of the issue to partial copies of grid. See attached video for before and after. Seems to happen regardless of mirror or non-mirrored partial copying
Grid copied for the video was built from scratch just prior to video start, not pre-copied / does not include damaged parts copied
Videos do not show however similar damage shows up across the nearly 200,000 PCU grid, on complete opposite ends, in both linear and non-linear paths from the copying spot.
No thrusters have been inside the ship to cause thruster damage
Can confirm that the issue only occurs when a partial copy of something on the grid is then pasted else where. Creating a part on a different grid, then partial copying it to the main grid does not cause the issue.
Can confirm that the issue only occurs when a partial copy of something on the grid is then pasted else where. Creating a part on a different grid, then partial copying it to the main grid does not cause the issue.
01FEB25, any partial copy from the grid will corrupt any other grid it is placed on with relative repeatability. Copy and pasting take notably longer with a short freeze before actioning the paste.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr0L_1Bu-Ec
Short showcase of instant damage present. Video showcases a "0" taken from the corrupted grid and placed on brand new, separate grid with instant damage occurring. Within ~1 min of doing so the game will crash with the attached error report
System Info attached
Save game with corrupted grid attached
01FEB25, any partial copy from the grid will corrupt any other grid it is placed on with relative repeatability. Copy and pasting take notably longer with a short freeze before actioning the paste.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr0L_1Bu-Ec
Short showcase of instant damage present. Video showcases a "0" taken from the corrupted grid and placed on brand new, separate grid with instant damage occurring. Within ~1 min of doing so the game will crash with the attached error report
System Info attached
Save game with corrupted grid attached
Appears that the issue grows depending on the amount of (scu)blocks placed in total. Pushing further causes game to slow on placements and eventually overwhelm the cpu/system and/or completely crash the game. (tried in separate world save and can replicate with enough blocks placed)
https://www.twitch.tv/themetta_/clip/LittleScrumptiousWebEagleEye-NlEdhj--c1PPbf1d
Appears that the issue grows depending on the amount of (scu)blocks placed in total. Pushing further causes game to slow on placements and eventually overwhelm the cpu/system and/or completely crash the game. (tried in separate world save and can replicate with enough blocks placed)
https://www.twitch.tv/themetta_/clip/LittleScrumptiousWebEagleEye-NlEdhj--c1PPbf1d
More direct crash reports from the issue
Attempting to save after making a paste before the crash happens results in a save indicator stating:
More direct crash reports from the issue
Attempting to save after making a paste before the crash happens results in a save indicator stating:
It is clear others are having this issues as seen in a duplicate bug report found here: https://support.keenswh.com/spaceengineers2/pc/topic/45505-block-deformation-when-pasting-grid
It is clear others are having this issues as seen in a duplicate bug report found here: https://support.keenswh.com/spaceengineers2/pc/topic/45505-block-deformation-when-pasting-grid
Hello Adam,
Thank you for reaching out to our forum regarding this issue. We truly appreciate you sharing the videos and crash logs with us.
We attempted to reproduce the issue on our end but were unable to do so. To help us investigate further, could you provide additional details?
Does the issue occur only in an older or a particular saved world, or does it also happen in newly created worlds?
If you lower your graphics settings to medium or low, does that have any effect on the issue?
Are there specific steps following which game consistently triggers the blocks deformation and crash, even in a new world save?
We would greatly appreciate any additional information and the game log files, along with the crash log.
Kind Regards,
Keen Software House: QA Department
Hello Adam,
Thank you for reaching out to our forum regarding this issue. We truly appreciate you sharing the videos and crash logs with us.
We attempted to reproduce the issue on our end but were unable to do so. To help us investigate further, could you provide additional details?
Does the issue occur only in an older or a particular saved world, or does it also happen in newly created worlds?
If you lower your graphics settings to medium or low, does that have any effect on the issue?
Are there specific steps following which game consistently triggers the blocks deformation and crash, even in a new world save?
We would greatly appreciate any additional information and the game log files, along with the crash log.
Kind Regards,
Keen Software House: QA Department
Hello engineers,
The issue has been reproduced and submitted to our internal system (SE2-21913).
Thanks for your report.
Kind Regards,
Keen Software House: QA Department
Hello engineers,
The issue has been reproduced and submitted to our internal system (SE2-21913).
Thanks for your report.
Kind Regards,
Keen Software House: QA Department
This is really bad, I hope keen fixes
This is really bad, I hope keen fixes
Cant really play it for serious until this bug is fixed.
Cant really play it for serious until this bug is fixed.
Recent updates seem to have curbed the crashing, however corruption / damage still spreads following any and all partial copy and paste
Recent updates seem to have curbed the crashing, however corruption / damage still spreads following any and all partial copy and paste
Hello KikkaGod,
I have not been able to reproduce the issue. The grid is already deformed in both the save and blueprint. When I fix deformed blocks (they are not damaged, they are deformed) they stay fixed for me.
However it reminds me of an older issue. Have you been, by any chance, using the partial copy functionality when creating said grid?
Best regards,
Keen QA Support
P.S. Pretty cool grids :)
Hello KikkaGod,
I have not been able to reproduce the issue. The grid is already deformed in both the save and blueprint. When I fix deformed blocks (they are not damaged, they are deformed) they stay fixed for me.
However it reminds me of an older issue. Have you been, by any chance, using the partial copy functionality when creating said grid?
Best regards,
Keen QA Support
P.S. Pretty cool grids :)
i also have this bug and was able to reproduce the bug consistently, link to my bug report here
i also have this bug and was able to reproduce the bug consistently, link to my bug report here
I had something similar but.. IM NOT ENTIRLY SURE SO DONT TAKE THIS TO SERIOUSLY but my ship was slightly damaged on the cockpit roof. why? I don't know maybe I crashed? but I don't remember. there is an image of before and after. hopefully I sent the right ones.
I had something similar but.. IM NOT ENTIRLY SURE SO DONT TAKE THIS TO SERIOUSLY but my ship was slightly damaged on the cockpit roof. why? I don't know maybe I crashed? but I don't remember. there is an image of before and after. hopefully I sent the right ones.
major distortion damages on block but no blocks are actualy destroyed only look damaged , please keen software fix it or at least give us a commandes to repare every block in the world .
uploading creations to the workshop when the blocks are damage will keep then damage ones placed down so this bug destroyes creations .
major distortion damages on block but no blocks are actualy destroyed only look damaged , please keen software fix it or at least give us a commandes to repare every block in the world .
uploading creations to the workshop when the blocks are damage will keep then damage ones placed down so this bug destroyes creations .
Hello paddington o3,
We have reproduced and reported this issue internally. Additionally, I have added this thread to our internal ticket (SE2-25943).
Kind Regards,
Bartosz
Keen Software House
Hello paddington o3,
We have reproduced and reported this issue internally. Additionally, I have added this thread to our internal ticket (SE2-25943).
Kind Regards,
Bartosz
Keen Software House
I was just able to confirm that the distortion and rippling happens when I paste from a partial copy onto the station grid, hope this helps
I was just able to confirm that the distortion and rippling happens when I paste from a partial copy onto the station grid, hope this helps
same thing happening here, To multiple different grids in the same world. PCU limit mod is installed and I have 500k PCU total with over 5 separate grids. It's bizarre.
same thing happening here, To multiple different grids in the same world. PCU limit mod is installed and I have 500k PCU total with over 5 separate grids. It's bizarre.
Hello Bashsomniac,
Does this issue started to occur after partial pasting or pasting other grids onto your ships? Have you encountered this issue without the Max PCU Limit mod?
Kind Regards,
Bartosz
Keen Software House
Hello Bashsomniac,
Does this issue started to occur after partial pasting or pasting other grids onto your ships? Have you encountered this issue without the Max PCU Limit mod?
Kind Regards,
Bartosz
Keen Software House
Hello George Maloy,
Does this issue occurs after pasting / partial pasting other grids on to your ship?
Kind Regards,
Bartosz
Keen Software House
Hello George Maloy,
Does this issue occurs after pasting / partial pasting other grids on to your ship?
Kind Regards,
Bartosz
Keen Software House
Sorry, I do not recall if it occurs after pasting other grids/ I know I have copied and pasted sections of the grid during the build, but did not notice if it correlated to pasting afterwards.
George
Sorry, I do not recall if it occurs after pasting other grids/ I know I have copied and pasted sections of the grid during the build, but did not notice if it correlated to pasting afterwards.
George
Hello George Maloy,
There is a known issue were pasting parts of a grid on another grid causes armor deformation. As it is the most likely culprit, I will merge this thread with the main one.
Kind Regards,
Bartosz
Keen Software House
Hello George Maloy,
There is a known issue were pasting parts of a grid on another grid causes armor deformation. As it is the most likely culprit, I will merge this thread with the main one.
Kind Regards,
Bartosz
Keen Software House
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