The general gist is what the title says. I was building a ship, then at one point noticed that part of my hallway was deformed. Then I explored further and found that huge parts of the grid were all deformed.
Game version: 1.2.200.4730 (Steam)
World on Steam Workshop: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3469479399
When the error occurred: I was focused on building and didn't see the deformations start appearing in real time, but immediately before I first noticed, I had been doing a fair bit of repeated pasting of a module blueprint, as well as partial copy/pasting. I did see other mentions in Discord of people encountering similar issues when partial copying, particularly with detail cubes, which were definitely present in the module I was messing with.
Possible oddities of interest:
- The grid I'm building on is rather sprawling, because I started from the Polis 1 station to use as my construction hangar, and have been building my ship attached to the same grid as the station. Don't know if that's related to the cause, but I'm probably going to try and isolate it better in the future.
- The blueprint I was repeatedly pasting in when I noticed (so not guaranteed the cause, but likely) was a bunk bed, which I originally created from a partial copy straight out of the Red Ship in a different world. After my first iteration, I ended up modifying it, creating a new partial copy in this world, and pasting that in several times in place of the originals.
- I reloaded earlier autosaves a few times to try and figure out more precisely when it started, but I it seems like I no longer have any backup saves from pre-deformation. Take this next statement with a grain of salt, but it felt like when I went back to the same autosave multiple times, the deformations actually got worse each time I reloaded. I'm not sure if that's actually true or if I'm just noticing more of them now than before. But if I can empirically reproduce that impression I got, I'll be sure to document it here.
I know there aren't as many cut and dry specifics as I'd want there to be, especially if I were the one on the receiving end of a ticket like this. I'm not expecting you'll have a precise fix for my save or anything, but if this is a larger mystery affecting others, then hopefully I can provide you with some useful context.
Apologies for open discord audio / background noise
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpVuDp6x4BE - SE2 Partial Non Mirror Copying Damage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=us6mInQD84w - .... Mirror Copying Damage
Apologies for open discord audio / background noise
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpVuDp6x4BE - SE2 Partial Non Mirror Copying Damage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=us6mInQD84w - .... Mirror Copying Damage
SE2 as of 1136 HST, 31JAN2025
Narrowed down replication of the issue to partial copies of grid. See attached video for before and after. Seems to happen regardless of mirror or non-mirrored partial copying
Grid copied for the video was built from scratch just prior to video start, not pre-copied / does not include damaged parts copied
Videos do not show however similar damage shows up across the nearly 200,000 PCU grid, on complete opposite ends, in both linear and non-linear paths from the copying spot.
No thrusters have been inside the ship to cause thruster damage
SE2 as of 1136 HST, 31JAN2025
Narrowed down replication of the issue to partial copies of grid. See attached video for before and after. Seems to happen regardless of mirror or non-mirrored partial copying
Grid copied for the video was built from scratch just prior to video start, not pre-copied / does not include damaged parts copied
Videos do not show however similar damage shows up across the nearly 200,000 PCU grid, on complete opposite ends, in both linear and non-linear paths from the copying spot.
No thrusters have been inside the ship to cause thruster damage
Can confirm that the issue only occurs when a partial copy of something on the grid is then pasted else where. Creating a part on a different grid, then partial copying it to the main grid does not cause the issue.
Can confirm that the issue only occurs when a partial copy of something on the grid is then pasted else where. Creating a part on a different grid, then partial copying it to the main grid does not cause the issue.
01FEB25, any partial copy from the grid will corrupt any other grid it is placed on with relative repeatability. Copy and pasting take notably longer with a short freeze before actioning the paste.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr0L_1Bu-Ec
Short showcase of instant damage present. Video showcases a "0" taken from the corrupted grid and placed on brand new, separate grid with instant damage occurring. Within ~1 min of doing so the game will crash with the attached error report
System Info attached
Save game with corrupted grid attached
01FEB25, any partial copy from the grid will corrupt any other grid it is placed on with relative repeatability. Copy and pasting take notably longer with a short freeze before actioning the paste.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr0L_1Bu-Ec
Short showcase of instant damage present. Video showcases a "0" taken from the corrupted grid and placed on brand new, separate grid with instant damage occurring. Within ~1 min of doing so the game will crash with the attached error report
System Info attached
Save game with corrupted grid attached
Appears that the issue grows depending on the amount of (scu)blocks placed in total. Pushing further causes game to slow on placements and eventually overwhelm the cpu/system and/or completely crash the game. (tried in separate world save and can replicate with enough blocks placed)
https://www.twitch.tv/themetta_/clip/LittleScrumptiousWebEagleEye-NlEdhj--c1PPbf1d
Appears that the issue grows depending on the amount of (scu)blocks placed in total. Pushing further causes game to slow on placements and eventually overwhelm the cpu/system and/or completely crash the game. (tried in separate world save and can replicate with enough blocks placed)
https://www.twitch.tv/themetta_/clip/LittleScrumptiousWebEagleEye-NlEdhj--c1PPbf1d
More direct crash reports from the issue
Attempting to save after making a paste before the crash happens results in a save indicator stating:
More direct crash reports from the issue
Attempting to save after making a paste before the crash happens results in a save indicator stating:
It is clear others are having this issues as seen in a duplicate bug report found here: https://support.keenswh.com/spaceengineers2/pc/topic/45505-block-deformation-when-pasting-grid
It is clear others are having this issues as seen in a duplicate bug report found here: https://support.keenswh.com/spaceengineers2/pc/topic/45505-block-deformation-when-pasting-grid
Hello Adam,
Thank you for reaching out to our forum regarding this issue. We truly appreciate you sharing the videos and crash logs with us.
We attempted to reproduce the issue on our end but were unable to do so. To help us investigate further, could you provide additional details?
Does the issue occur only in an older or a particular saved world, or does it also happen in newly created worlds?
If you lower your graphics settings to medium or low, does that have any effect on the issue?
Are there specific steps following which game consistently triggers the blocks deformation and crash, even in a new world save?
We would greatly appreciate any additional information and the game log files, along with the crash log.
Kind Regards,
Keen Software House: QA Department
Hello Adam,
Thank you for reaching out to our forum regarding this issue. We truly appreciate you sharing the videos and crash logs with us.
We attempted to reproduce the issue on our end but were unable to do so. To help us investigate further, could you provide additional details?
Does the issue occur only in an older or a particular saved world, or does it also happen in newly created worlds?
If you lower your graphics settings to medium or low, does that have any effect on the issue?
Are there specific steps following which game consistently triggers the blocks deformation and crash, even in a new world save?
We would greatly appreciate any additional information and the game log files, along with the crash log.
Kind Regards,
Keen Software House: QA Department
Hello engineers,
The issue has been reproduced and submitted to our internal system (SE2-21913).
Thanks for your report.
Kind Regards,
Keen Software House: QA Department
Hello engineers,
The issue has been reproduced and submitted to our internal system (SE2-21913).
Thanks for your report.
Kind Regards,
Keen Software House: QA Department
This is really bad, I hope keen fixes
This is really bad, I hope keen fixes
Cant really play it for serious until this bug is fixed.
Cant really play it for serious until this bug is fixed.
Recent updates seem to have curbed the crashing, however corruption / damage still spreads following any and all partial copy and paste
Recent updates seem to have curbed the crashing, however corruption / damage still spreads following any and all partial copy and paste
Hello KikkaGod,
I have not been able to reproduce the issue. The grid is already deformed in both the save and blueprint. When I fix deformed blocks (they are not damaged, they are deformed) they stay fixed for me.
However it reminds me of an older issue. Have you been, by any chance, using the partial copy functionality when creating said grid?
Best regards,
Keen QA Support
P.S. Pretty cool grids :)
Hello KikkaGod,
I have not been able to reproduce the issue. The grid is already deformed in both the save and blueprint. When I fix deformed blocks (they are not damaged, they are deformed) they stay fixed for me.
However it reminds me of an older issue. Have you been, by any chance, using the partial copy functionality when creating said grid?
Best regards,
Keen QA Support
P.S. Pretty cool grids :)
i also have this bug and was able to reproduce the bug consistently, link to my bug report here
i also have this bug and was able to reproduce the bug consistently, link to my bug report here
I had something similar but.. IM NOT ENTIRLY SURE SO DONT TAKE THIS TO SERIOUSLY but my ship was slightly damaged on the cockpit roof. why? I don't know maybe I crashed? but I don't remember. there is an image of before and after. hopefully I sent the right ones.
I had something similar but.. IM NOT ENTIRLY SURE SO DONT TAKE THIS TO SERIOUSLY but my ship was slightly damaged on the cockpit roof. why? I don't know maybe I crashed? but I don't remember. there is an image of before and after. hopefully I sent the right ones.
major distortion damages on block but no blocks are actualy destroyed only look damaged , please keen software fix it or at least give us a commandes to repare every block in the world .
uploading creations to the workshop when the blocks are damage will keep then damage ones placed down so this bug destroyes creations .
major distortion damages on block but no blocks are actualy destroyed only look damaged , please keen software fix it or at least give us a commandes to repare every block in the world .
uploading creations to the workshop when the blocks are damage will keep then damage ones placed down so this bug destroyes creations .
Hello paddington o3,
We have reproduced and reported this issue internally. Additionally, I have added this thread to our internal ticket (SE2-25943).
Kind Regards,
Bartosz
Keen Software House
Hello paddington o3,
We have reproduced and reported this issue internally. Additionally, I have added this thread to our internal ticket (SE2-25943).
Kind Regards,
Bartosz
Keen Software House
I was just able to confirm that the distortion and rippling happens when I paste from a partial copy onto the station grid, hope this helps
I was just able to confirm that the distortion and rippling happens when I paste from a partial copy onto the station grid, hope this helps
same thing happening here, To multiple different grids in the same world. PCU limit mod is installed and I have 500k PCU total with over 5 separate grids. It's bizarre.
same thing happening here, To multiple different grids in the same world. PCU limit mod is installed and I have 500k PCU total with over 5 separate grids. It's bizarre.
Hello Bashsomniac,
Does this issue started to occur after partial pasting or pasting other grids onto your ships? Have you encountered this issue without the Max PCU Limit mod?
Kind Regards,
Bartosz
Keen Software House
Hello Bashsomniac,
Does this issue started to occur after partial pasting or pasting other grids onto your ships? Have you encountered this issue without the Max PCU Limit mod?
Kind Regards,
Bartosz
Keen Software House
Hello George Maloy,
Does this issue occurs after pasting / partial pasting other grids on to your ship?
Kind Regards,
Bartosz
Keen Software House
Hello George Maloy,
Does this issue occurs after pasting / partial pasting other grids on to your ship?
Kind Regards,
Bartosz
Keen Software House
Sorry, I do not recall if it occurs after pasting other grids/ I know I have copied and pasted sections of the grid during the build, but did not notice if it correlated to pasting afterwards.
George
Sorry, I do not recall if it occurs after pasting other grids/ I know I have copied and pasted sections of the grid during the build, but did not notice if it correlated to pasting afterwards.
George
Hello George Maloy,
There is a known issue were pasting parts of a grid on another grid causes armor deformation. As it is the most likely culprit, I will merge this thread with the main one.
Kind Regards,
Bartosz
Keen Software House
Hello George Maloy,
There is a known issue were pasting parts of a grid on another grid causes armor deformation. As it is the most likely culprit, I will merge this thread with the main one.
Kind Regards,
Bartosz
Keen Software House
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