multigrid support for projectors.

Hello, thank you for the good idea. Lets see how popular it gets by voting.

Duplicate of https://support.keenswh.com/spaceengineers/general/topic/multigrid-support-projectors

i submitted it double by accident.

This please!

You spend a lot time making a masterpiece in creative mode to bring it to survival and you get punished for using pistons and rotors...

yup whe need support for that indeffenitly becausse sometimes when you whanna place something and it has multple grids it only places the largest grid only.aswhell a sort button on smallblock builds or largeblock builds

Hello. Please, i have in the workshop a wonderful piece of fine engineering obviously relying on multi-grids due to its very complex nature. Contractors are complaining about the possibility to use the blueprint on the projector. I want you to consider how cold and loveless the world would be without my workshop item and ask you to solve this ticket ASAP because mankind deserves a chance.

Solve the ticket. Save the world.

Oh god yes. this is killing me in Survival.

multigrid support is really needed since most off the builds on steamworkshop are mutligrid becausse alot off players makes them so and also becausse sertain thing's are not only complex but also for sertain builds it looks more better also

I don't know if this is a duplicate of another feedback, but I like to not only vote for the multi-grid projection, but also help narrow down on what to have in this improvement.

For a day and a half, pondering about the projectors,

I thought of this... in 2 parts...

Part 1: A selection list for choosing a grid from the saved blueprint under the Projector.

The Projectors can scan for grids and find the biggest one, don't they? If one does, it could be possible for the Projector to have a selection list to choose a grid from the blueprinted multi-grid assembly. In par with the blueprint grid selection, it should also scan for any active connectors, pistons, and rotors on its grid, like the Remote Control for Cameras. If it can find any of them, it should check to see if they have a head and if the connectors has locked to another connector off-grid. If 2 connectors are locked together on the same grid, they should not be listed. If they have a head or locked off-grid connector, it should repeat the functions on the sub-grids based from the founded heads and off-grid connectors, to see if they have the same thing. The scanning for stuff section goes to the Second Part below.

Part 2: Another selection list for choosing a connector, piston, rotor, or none (for itself), even if they're not functional and/or don't have a head or locked off-grid connector.

For the selection list for itself, piston, rotor or connector, if what's selected is headless, or connector is unlocked, the Projector should give a warning about NO HEAD CONNECTED or CONNECTOR IS UNLOCKED, respectively, and make the projected blueprint useless, just like the OUT OF BOUNDS warning. So that way, those who do more exotic weapons or contraptions of any sort in Survival have an extra Builder's Life convenience.

Is my explanation well-detailed? I'm just trying to make it easier for you devs on what to achieve for. I'm sorry if what I said is too much, or is said by someone else.

even iff a projection is out of bounds aslong as its against a exicsting grid it still works when make multi part (space)stationbut whit real multigrids whe need the whole BP projected not just the biggest parts doesnt matter iff its has pistons/rotors or connectors

I've been suggest by a dev to make the idea/plan I displayed earlier a feedback for an easy-finding.

Rob, I did say a selection list for choosing a grid from a single blueprint, which is part of removing the grid displaying limitations you pointed out.

Please, please please make this a reality.

Please.

Might be a bit of a stupid idea, but right now, current ideas for multigrid support would, generally, involve redoing the projector code. What if, instead, there was an option for ships, along with 'make station' 'make ship' to 'Freeze Subgrids' - this would freeze all subgrids on the ship (so pistons, rotors, modded stuff like hinges), and in it's frozen state be made into a single grid. This status could have a optional checkbox on projector to 'lose frozen status after subgrid is built' perhaps, or maybe you'd just have to fully build the ship, and after the whole thing is built select 'freeze subgrids' again, and the subgrids would be unfrozen, to be able to freely move around again. While frozen, of course, all options for piston extension/retraction, speed, rotors movement, etc, pretty much everything except for on/off status, would be greyed out.

In addition to being a boon for multiple-grid projections, this would also have the added benefit of assisting carriers when transporting ships with subgrids, or freezing in place projects that use a large-rotor-to-small-rotor-head emplacement (such as for interior decorating or other purposes) by possibly eliminating much of the 'clang-force' that affects ships with subgrids on them currently, thus allowing for a more stable 'storage' setting (by freezing the subgrids).

Immortal words of Piccard. "Make it so"

Whatever solution would allow projecting blueprints of subgrids would probably also solve the problem where dampers don't account for the mass of subgrids.

Or even the possibility that a Rotor or piston does not seperate a grid. Some of my vehicles are one vehicle but the game does not register as one.

Yeah I'm actually getting highly irritated that it's been like 5 years this was requested. Maybe even longer and its still not fixed... I spent like 6 months designing a ship and now I can't even bring it into a server.

WTF. Come on Keen. I have to quit SE until this gets updated.

Multi-grid projections are broken in both the projector and the console block for the same reason. I debugged this issue while working on a dedicated server plugin about two months ago and added the following bug ticket with my findings:

https://support.keenswh.com/spaceengineers/general/topic/object-builders-sent-to-the-server-by-projectorsconsoles-contain-corrupted-data

If Keen would pair a developer with me for 30 minutes via Skype, then I would be able to show them the problems I found via screen sharing. Maybe fixing these issues would not be enough to get multi-grid welding fully working, but it would be a step in the right direction.

The matchmaking system I developed the plugin for has been completed since then: https://spacewar.se

But we cannot support multi-grid ships just because of this issue, thus players cannot bring those nice rotor guns to the battlefield today...

I would also greatly appreciate this feature!

Please consider OP suggestion.

It is a bit annoying when you can create all these amazing ships and contraptions but cannot use projectors to bring them back to life. I often try to not use piston & rotors because I know theses are "one time deal" and they cannot be projected easily afterward without a lot of workaround.

Still considering this issue ?

Hopefully we get those multi-grid creations printable at some point.

:crossedfingers:

Keen, please give me access to the source code and I will help you fix this. Or at least some time pair working with one of your developers remotely.

I would definately like to see multi-grid support for projectors. People spend a LOT of time creating these awesome ships and vehicles in creative mode, only for them to sit in creative mode only. It is much more fun to take that creation out into the wild so to speak, and run it in survival to see how it really performs. Evidently there are ways to get them projected piecemeal, but YOUR average player doesn't have the knowledge or skill to implement them, so they quit playing. In the end, that loses additional revenue for Keen, as they no longer play, and no longer by DLCs.

Yes, there are those that say "Too Bad, learn how to do it", but it is just easier to avoid the aggravation and go on to another game. So PLEASE, make the changes to allow multi-grid projections!!!

Definitely 100% behind this one!

This makes sense. Or at least put a link how to do it, eg. in good bot. That would give that AI a meaning.

I think its an essential feature.