Add Realistic Thruster Sound and Full Realistic Sound Modes From SE1
In this bug report, KSH has just informed us that thruster sound being tied to speed rather than thruster use is intended behavior, and will not be fixed: https://support.keenswh.com/spaceengineers2/pc/topic/50368-hydrogen-thruster-sound-keeps-playing-with-dampeners-turned-off-and-on-lock#comment-107557.
In a game with Newtonian physics, to me, this seems absurd. While I have never met someone who prefers loud engine noises blasting their ears while coasting through space, I will still frame this suggestion as a new option alongside the current "arcade" sound mode, in the case that such people do somewhere exist, to avoid an unnecessary argument.
KSH, PLEASE add a "realistic thruster sound mode", like we had in Space Engineers 1, where thruster sound is tied directly to, and ONLY to, the force that the thruster is outputting. So, as you accelerate, you'll hear the thrusters ramp up and then blast at full force as your thrusters blast at full force. If you then turn off dampeners and stop thrusting, you hear only any idle ship noises, as your thrusters are not thrusting. There is no drag or wind or anything like that in space, no reason to have to suffer through your thrusters blasting your ears while coasting for long distances to mission locations. Engine blasting is awesome, immersive, realistic and expected while pushing your ship with a hard engine burn. While coasting? It's just plain annoying. This is the single largest annoyance to me in the current VS2 build of the game.
As an additional, "full realistic sound" toggle, if it is not already planned by default for airtightness, sound should be muffled if in a vaccum and only connected to the sound source through your boots, and there should be no sound except for your character if you are freely floating in vaccum. So, exactly how it worked with realistic sound mode in SE1. That was perfect.
If SE2 is truly supposed to be a 10x of SE1, it must at the very minimum retain these essential QoL, realism and immersion features from SE1. These are critical features to enjoy the game for me and many others. Realistic thruster sound mode I feel is critical for almost anyone, with full realistic sound being very important to me and any other hard sci-fi fans.
Furthermore, these features are especially important for KSH to add because I do not believe this kind of core functionality is something that can be added by modders, unlike many other realism improvements like planet atmospheres and thermal mechanics.
Thank you for reading my suggestion, and I really hope that you agree, at least about the thruster sounds, and up-vote my suggestion so that KSH is more likely to implement it.
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Signed up just to vote this up. The loud, constant thruster sound while coasting makes the game nearly unplayable for me. If this is truly going to be the behavior long term, please give us a volume control for the thrusters, or lower their volume (by a lot) in-game.
Signed up just to vote this up. The loud, constant thruster sound while coasting makes the game nearly unplayable for me. If this is truly going to be the behavior long term, please give us a volume control for the thrusters, or lower their volume (by a lot) in-game.
The only thing you should hear from flying without thrust is pings and pops of space dust bouncing off the ship and maybe a reactor if there is one or engine idling, it only makes sense. I think this should be default not an additional option because it makes no sense that something expelling no energy would make sound.
The only thing you should hear from flying without thrust is pings and pops of space dust bouncing off the ship and maybe a reactor if there is one or engine idling, it only makes sense. I think this should be default not an additional option because it makes no sense that something expelling no energy would make sound.
take it!
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take it!
(my work)
Basically we want every bit of depth as SE1, if not more, but never less. If you take the depth out of SE, takes away the point, I think that simplicity could be a layer of settings for newcomers.
Basically we want every bit of depth as SE1, if not more, but never less. If you take the depth out of SE, takes away the point, I think that simplicity could be a layer of settings for newcomers.
It’s just standard practice in games and movies—spaceships hum darkly during flight, or make some other nonsensical noises...
In space, no one can hear you scream. Not even video game developers.
It’s just standard practice in games and movies—spaceships hum darkly during flight, or make some other nonsensical noises...
In space, no one can hear you scream. Not even video game developers.
There shouldn't even have to be a discussion about this. The game is simply unplayable for me because of this. Audio makes or breaks a game and blasting my ears off while coasting in space is just bad design. There is no excuse for that.
There shouldn't even have to be a discussion about this. The game is simply unplayable for me because of this. Audio makes or breaks a game and blasting my ears off while coasting in space is just bad design. There is no excuse for that.
I have just 20h on SE2. I'm super new on SE in general.
Yet, it was enough to do my first space travel to understand this single fact seems to go against the very core philosophy of the rest of the game, which seems very cool and oriented to realism otherwise. I'm enjoying a lot, beside this problem.
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I really don't understand why this would be intended... Who likes a very loud uncalled-for noise?
I can see why someone might want to ear this. They want a speed feedback. That's fine...
But let's call this for what it is: this would be a simulated speed noise generated from the cockpit, to get an audio feedback about speed. Similar to some electric cars featuring simulated engine noises to give more feedback.
As such, it could also be less heavy and mind-melting, speaking of the sound itself.
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What's disappointing to me, is that they're confirming that this is intended... As in "this is the way it's gonna be"... (or at least that-s what i get in this comment here)
It would be somehow easy to have a solution that makes happy both sides of the discussion:
1) We can all agree this is a fake thing, and it's nothing related to reality.
2) Therefore, make this current noise as a cockpit-generated speed sound feedback, with the relative option from the cockpit props. As i was saying, also a more soft sound, or a multiple choice, would be appreciated at this point).
(to be honest, you could stop here and i would be happy to just disable this messy overwhelming sound, but let's do things right)
3) Do the real thing: create an audio system based on single thruster value. Maybe it will need some optimization in case of many thruster. Looking at what we've got now, though, even a single unified sound generator based on the actual global thrust, would be better then this.
You could easily make everybody more or less happy, with a simple choice for the simulated noise.
Forcing this on everyone is torture for those who don't want it.
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It's a bigger deal then it seems... I'm traveling 100km with a mental soundtrack of:
"Why, Keen... Why? What was wrong that day in the meeting? And why the hell turning off the grid turn off the sound... But with the grid online and every thruster offline keep making the noise... Where is this noise coming from? (i actually know, nowhere...) Any space engineer knows this is wrong at the very core. What the hell?......... Oh, finally i am here... Let me slow down... I can't stand this a second longer..." While i basically love you all the rest of the time.
I didn't played SE1, yet, but i seem to grasp from comments that things where reasonable back there.
I started from SE2, and i would like them reasonable too, please!
If that was indeed intended, please consider shifting the intention to a more widely friendly solution.
With respect,
a very new fan
I have just 20h on SE2. I'm super new on SE in general.
Yet, it was enough to do my first space travel to understand this single fact seems to go against the very core philosophy of the rest of the game, which seems very cool and oriented to realism otherwise. I'm enjoying a lot, beside this problem.
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I really don't understand why this would be intended... Who likes a very loud uncalled-for noise?
I can see why someone might want to ear this. They want a speed feedback. That's fine...
But let's call this for what it is: this would be a simulated speed noise generated from the cockpit, to get an audio feedback about speed. Similar to some electric cars featuring simulated engine noises to give more feedback.
As such, it could also be less heavy and mind-melting, speaking of the sound itself.
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What's disappointing to me, is that they're confirming that this is intended... As in "this is the way it's gonna be"... (or at least that-s what i get in this comment here)
It would be somehow easy to have a solution that makes happy both sides of the discussion:
1) We can all agree this is a fake thing, and it's nothing related to reality.
2) Therefore, make this current noise as a cockpit-generated speed sound feedback, with the relative option from the cockpit props. As i was saying, also a more soft sound, or a multiple choice, would be appreciated at this point).
(to be honest, you could stop here and i would be happy to just disable this messy overwhelming sound, but let's do things right)
3) Do the real thing: create an audio system based on single thruster value. Maybe it will need some optimization in case of many thruster. Looking at what we've got now, though, even a single unified sound generator based on the actual global thrust, would be better then this.
You could easily make everybody more or less happy, with a simple choice for the simulated noise.
Forcing this on everyone is torture for those who don't want it.
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It's a bigger deal then it seems... I'm traveling 100km with a mental soundtrack of:
"Why, Keen... Why? What was wrong that day in the meeting? And why the hell turning off the grid turn off the sound... But with the grid online and every thruster offline keep making the noise... Where is this noise coming from? (i actually know, nowhere...) Any space engineer knows this is wrong at the very core. What the hell?......... Oh, finally i am here... Let me slow down... I can't stand this a second longer..." While i basically love you all the rest of the time.
I didn't played SE1, yet, but i seem to grasp from comments that things where reasonable back there.
I started from SE2, and i would like them reasonable too, please!
If that was indeed intended, please consider shifting the intention to a more widely friendly solution.
With respect,
a very new fan
Marek's Vision at this rate is going to make SE2 difficult to sell over a million copies like as with what SE1 was able to do. listening to the player base and veterans of the franchise will raise the chances of selling more copies. At the current rate that's not going to happen between how long development is taking (yes I know development takes a while) and people urging others not to buy the game until its finished. People who haven't bought it are either going to forget the game exists or be dissatisfied with things like the arcade audio and continue to play SE1. I'm personally getting fed up because there are a few major things not being planned like HOTAS/Flight Stick compatibility which is not planned, aerodynamic physics not planned with the most votes of any topic, and Linux users being thrown to the sidelines with the wont fix label expecting them to fend for themselves as if Linux is not a real operating system and windows isn't messed up. Anyways enough out of me I just wanted to put a few words down.
Like what Doc said SE2 deserves better.
Marek's Vision at this rate is going to make SE2 difficult to sell over a million copies like as with what SE1 was able to do. listening to the player base and veterans of the franchise will raise the chances of selling more copies. At the current rate that's not going to happen between how long development is taking (yes I know development takes a while) and people urging others not to buy the game until its finished. People who haven't bought it are either going to forget the game exists or be dissatisfied with things like the arcade audio and continue to play SE1. I'm personally getting fed up because there are a few major things not being planned like HOTAS/Flight Stick compatibility which is not planned, aerodynamic physics not planned with the most votes of any topic, and Linux users being thrown to the sidelines with the wont fix label expecting them to fend for themselves as if Linux is not a real operating system and windows isn't messed up. Anyways enough out of me I just wanted to put a few words down.
Like what Doc said SE2 deserves better.
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