Peasants-Troops-Specialists-Etc. (Meat Based Automation)

Pigeon shared this feedback 12 months ago
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Currently there is some automation with machines but the main way of 'automation' of the time is missing, beasts and men(humans maybe half pig, half bear, half man??? maybe).

I would imagine a system where you would have to hire and if their is beds and maybe defined room and/or furniture you can get peasants. Their would be 3-4 classes. The aft-mentioned peasants which would do manual labor such as farming, wood cutting, mining, etc. The next one would be the troop class which be your defenders and attackers. The next one would be specialists/tradesmen whom will be your builders, crafters (autocrafters), and merchants. The last one would be nobles/advisers which can give various bonuses. Their also be beasts but they are their own system.

Peasants class would function buy having a sign, billboard, ledger, whatever object to hire them and you would need a bed along with any other objects needed for said bed such as a room or a cabinet or container etc. The peasant hired would need a path from the bed to his/her work spot to do their job and the peasant would need to be paid. The payment system is done by having a merchant sell goods to npc villages/towns/whatever though initially it can be foamed in by having the merchant just sell goods after x amount of time and then returning more on it later. Peasants would be simple works with a cheap wage only able to do basic harvesting tasks, they can barely defend themselves and thus need soldiers.

Troops/knights/soldiers/whatever, are the force you use to defend your claims. You can only have so many out based on what technology you have, server limits on deployments, and other factors. They would come in melee, range, and pure range. Melee would only fight in melee unless they can not reach the target at which point they will use a bow and arrow but have a 50% reload increase. Range has the similar logic but range, if something gets too close they will melee. Pure range will not go to melee ever. Guard spots would have to be deployed to have guards active. As guards die inactive guards can take their place, same logic with attackers. Attackers could have their own post practically but to summarize, they would attack player and npc villages and castles, they would require a siege engine manned by an engineer(specialist class) to start the invasion, as they die they would be replaced. When under siege they cause problems blocking roads out of your claim and if all roads out are blocked trade will stop money will run out and your guards will abandon the castle leaving it open for the invaders.

Specialists/tradesmen would be your engineers, merchants, crafters, and builders. They demand more money and more fancy stuff then the other 2 classes. Specialists would differ in payment though based on what they do. A crafter cost more then a builder, it would be builder<crafter<merchant,engi. The first merchant is free to help get players on the right foot with trade, maybe.

Nobles/advisers and animals...

Nobles would give various benefits varying on whom they are. You could have a general to increase amount of soldiers, you can have a patrician if their is a merchant cap, etc.

Animals would be tamed from the wild or bought from villages. They vary based on climate though some are pretty ubiquitous such as horses and deer. Deer do not exist in the desert, in fact the desert would the harshest place having few animals, or not it all varies. The main gimmick is animals like horses, donkeys, elephants, cows, etc. would serve as sources as labor or be used as machines themselves to help farming and other labor.

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I would suggest looking at the original "stronghold" game. There the economy rotates around happiness for the peasants. If it gets lower than 50% peasants will start leaving, higher then 50% and enough homes (beds in medieval engineers?) and new peasants will arrive.

Taxes and food shortages decrease happiness. Churches, gardens, taverns, having multiple types of food and higher rations increase happiness.

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I have the stronghold crusader that does that, and it is just different. The peasants are just a resource that is easily expendable, no trade, no economy, specialization, etc. But, it is a fun RTS game.

Anyway I just really want someone/something else mining/quarrying rocks for me>.> Stones and wood are heavy!

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I think this idea would probably be the best addition to ME ever. Space Engineers has the programmable blocks and timers that permit you to build complex, automated machines; abstractly using electricity and other mechanics to automate things. ME doesn't have an equivalent or anything close to it. This would completely change the game in a very profound way and breath life into it. I think this would be a lot of development work, but I can think of a couple ways to simplify it and make it even more user friendly then the programmable block in SE.

AI isn't something that ME defines itself in; it just needs more work. But this idea can be developed and pursued without AI. If the variously stratified avatars we could just simply refer to collectively as "peasants", were developed to only carry out specific commands, no AI would be necessary and it would have virtually no performance overhead compared with AI. If some very basic framework of this concept were released, the modders would do the rest.

Something else that would simplify this idea is having every peasant rigidly move along the world's grid system that blocks are generally already built to conform to. (Unfortunately, programming them to do that would make their operation incompatible with any build that is offset with this system) This would eliminate collision problems and make their movement predictable and intuitive.

A separate command API could be used to program the peasants to walk between different points, interact with inventories (loop them to carry things from one inventory to another), guarding or performing ranged attacks from a certain space or area, or farming, etc. The open source game TA Spring has an excellent representation of this. You can queue move orders and tell it to loop the commands indefinitely in a given order. There's nothing complicated to it compared to AI. This kind of behavior would work much like timer series commands in SE. You can make some pretty complex things in SE JUST with timers. You could have tons of these peasants walking around performing their looped tasks. Think about what a castle full of those would look like. It would add a layer of strategy not present in ME in its current state.

You could make long distance caravans (barbarian or otherwise) that walk along the road conforming to this idea too. Caravans you could raid if you so chose (like cargo ship encounters in SE), or trade with them.

I agree that these should have a maintenance cost, like gold/silver/copper to pay them, and food to keep them going. Certain crafted meals could boost their productivity, HP, etc. That would give purpose to mass-producing food in this game and getting peasants to operate the ever more demanding and complex systems. It might not be too resource friendly to a server, but if limits per player were imposed, it wouldn't be problematic. It would be awesome at least in SP.

Of all the ideas on the forums, I think this one has the greatest potential to drastically improve the game.