darkness topic continued from Bug Test beta, long thread
i have a vibe that there is a large individual difference in how much darkness players want. this is an opportunity to address lighting in general. a solution exists to satisfy those liking the new darkness seen in 0.7 beta and those that want the current status quo as it is now... let's use this thread to voice a direction the developers could find useful in their choice of how much darkness should exist in ME.
two ideas here, one is what items offer illumination and then how far is that light radius?
imho we have four light sources currently: (a) the hand torch that we can walk with which expires upon use at 30 minutes (self crafted, (b) the wall torch, torch stand, and the brazier that always remain lighted (crafted metal parts or metal bar required, craft at table or anvil, assumed fuel source*), and (c) also permanently lighted are the jack-o-lanterns/christmas trees (character crafted, candle light as assumed fuel source*). there is (d) an ambient world glow attributable to distant rock formations, tree outlines, etc. that i will call the "world glow".
- (a) Torches are the only light source to time out, 30 minutes until the torch expires... the hand torch needs a torch stand to place the torch in the ground (one could argue IRL i could make small stones into a torch stand as well, lets just say a torch stand would be a 2-4 stick character crafted item?)(to keep it simple stupid this torch stand expires/vanishes when the torch attached to it expires). the torch is timed as a source and expires upon use but this does not equate when made into a stand or wall torch. i would like the darkness slider to affect this light throw radius in particular, and a hand held torch should have the lowest glow radius of any illumination device in ME. one could also introduce a Lantern which has 2x the current light distance throw and perhaps include a fuel source. lantern stands can get fun and more complicated, but a street lantern is desperately wanted in ME! and get into the history of lanterns here: http://www.historyoflamps.com/lamp-history/history-of-oil-lamps/.
- (b) the crafted light sources stay lit indefinitely and do not have a timed fuel. that should change imho, adding Charcoal to the brazier should be required to maintain light over a long period of time (using the Furnace for logic but a brazier being the most expensive of all light sources should come in several forms and i have no problem with lets say 4 charcoal lasting days and days and days - but then again for folks taking darkness maybe we should be more harsh on time per charcoal piece added?). the wall and standing torches should expire similarly to the hand torch assuming they are the same idea. as per (a) above the torch has 30 minutes to it and so should any torch in any stand, perhaps these two current stands would be permanent yet the torch put into them only glows for 30 minutes. makes no sense to have the two difference, UNLESS we take the lanterns and replace the wall torch and torch stand with the wall lantern and lantern stand... or a wall or standing torch is in fact a one charcoal longer lit light source? i would love for Animal Fat coming from dead deer be a fuel source for Lanterns... point being there are no permanent light sources...
- (c) the simple candle light for which we already assume the jack-o-lantern and christmas tree have as their illumination source needs to exist on its own (included in some mods but the single candlestick needs to be available regardless in the basic game), i would guess that an engineer can walk with a candlestick holder but here is where i think illumination radius matters and a candle throw which is an official form of light measurement (see resources below) would be at least half or more of what a torch throws off). sure folks can walk with a candle in their hand but we dont need that in ME (although 25 engineers walking in a line with candles would be mind blowing). add the candle, give it oddly more than the torches 30 minutes until it expires but 10-80% less of the glow that we see in a torch...
- (d) removing the world glow as seen in the beta does make for a more survival vibe because there is more fear, but note that for folks like me prefer this glow as it allows me to explore and mine at will without tiptoeing along mountains or dig pits unnecessarily. purely imho. the darkness world slider as mentioned by another user is excellent for any general diurnal or other server settings that dont match how we play... one day with a Full Moon mod going i would love to have darker world settings... or just give all new new players in ME a torch in their inventory, make the safe zone never dark, etc. all to enhance individual world settings. World Glow like other settings should be server optional.
Question is can we have multiple light sources for our engineer to hold other than just the torch? and if a dark world is coming can we have more options for how far we can see - imho the lantern vs torch vs candle come into play here... take the candle out of the existing jack o lantern and make it real please. add a lantern so we folks that walk in the light can see farther and hang from street posts!, and finally add fuel to the table crafted metal torches and brazier as they cannot be a forever light when logically playing with 30 minute torches...
""Lumens" is a measure of how much light a lamp produces in all directions. "Candlepower" is the intensity of light at the center of a spotlight beam when measured in one direction. Thus, strictly speaking, you cannot directly convert lumens to candlepower. However, if a lamp or flashlight is rated by a manufacturer in terms of candlepower, it actually means "mean spherical candlepower." Lumens can be converted to mean spherical candlepower so that a lamp rated in lumens can be compared with a lamp rated in mean spherical candlepower."
Lumens. The brightness of light is usually measured in lumens, or the total amount of light generated. Lumens are derived from luminous flux, which is the total power of light, which is why high-power bulbs are sometimes called "high-flux," To measure lumens, an LED is placed inside a sealed reflective sphere, known as an integrating sphere, and its light is bounced around in all directions in the sphere (integrated) so its flux can be measured at one point, and calculated into lumens based on the size of the sphere. LEDs vary widely in their brightness potential, and can be "dimmed" by running at a lower current. (Note: the reason some commercial LED bulbs cannot be dimmed is because of the power controller in the bulb, not the LEDs themselves. All LEDs can be dimmed with the right power supply.)
Candelas. You may see some LED lights measured in mcd, or millicandelas. The candela is a measurement of the total light generated and focused in one particular direction. This is why you might see a flashlight rated in candelas rather than lumens- it is more useful to know how much light is focused with the flashlight, not the total light, which includes some light dispersed in all directions.
Lux. Another measurement of light is lux, or the light measured in 1 square meter of output area. For example, if you mark off one square meter on your garage, and measure all the light that goes into that area when your car is exactly 10 feet away from it, you would have the lux measurement at 10 feet, straight-on, of your headlights. As you can see though, it's somewhat difficult to measure lux along a particular output, and you must factor in how far away the source of light is. Lux ratings are useful for light housing manufacturers, as they want the highest lux available straight-on to light the road ahead, but they also want some lux measurement downwards directly on the road.