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Smaller hydrogen tank block
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I would like to see a hydrogen tank for ships smaller
I was thinking for on block 1x1x3 which will be ofcorse less capacity but will make us do better ships. I have this idea from the time that hydrgen tank born but never seen it taking place.
Now with the last PCU limits, i think will be a good solution for our small vessels (and large propably)
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Agreed, we need a smaller version of the Hydrogen tank - both for small grids and large ones.
This gets my vote!
For large grids I would propose a 1x1x2 tank instead of (or as well as) the 1x1x3 suggested by O/P - since we already have lots of 1x1x2 blocks (Oxygen tank, Assembler, Arc Furnace, etc), a Hydrogen Tank the same size would fit better into a conveyor system without creating any odd 1x1x1 gaps.
For small-grid ships I propose a 3x3x3 tank (as well as the existing 5x5x5 tank). It would match the diameter of the Large Hydrogen Thruster, Medium Cargo Container & Oxygen Tank / Generator and make the internal conveyor system of a ship much more uniform, allowing for more streamlined hull designs with fewer internal gaps. Like the 5x5x5 version, it'd need large ports on 2 sides and small ports on the other 4 sides.
Agreed, we need a smaller version of the Hydrogen tank - both for small grids and large ones.
This gets my vote!
For large grids I would propose a 1x1x2 tank instead of (or as well as) the 1x1x3 suggested by O/P - since we already have lots of 1x1x2 blocks (Oxygen tank, Assembler, Arc Furnace, etc), a Hydrogen Tank the same size would fit better into a conveyor system without creating any odd 1x1x1 gaps.
For small-grid ships I propose a 3x3x3 tank (as well as the existing 5x5x5 tank). It would match the diameter of the Large Hydrogen Thruster, Medium Cargo Container & Oxygen Tank / Generator and make the internal conveyor system of a ship much more uniform, allowing for more streamlined hull designs with fewer internal gaps. Like the 5x5x5 version, it'd need large ports on 2 sides and small ports on the other 4 sides.
accepted all except the small grids, we have 1 5x5x5 already so they must put a 1x1x3 so we can combine more in order to make the shape we like. Thanks for your possitive vote :D
accepted all except the small grids, we have 1 5x5x5 already so they must put a 1x1x3 so we can combine more in order to make the shape we like. Thanks for your possitive vote :D
There is also one more solution, to add an extra small hydrogen tank. As we all know, cockpits can carry already a small ammound of oxygen in it. Be attaching an embedded hydrogen tank, it is possible to have hydrogen indication on low right corner even without using a hydrogen tank.
There is also one more solution, to add an extra small hydrogen tank. As we all know, cockpits can carry already a small ammound of oxygen in it. Be attaching an embedded hydrogen tank, it is possible to have hydrogen indication on low right corner even without using a hydrogen tank.
I think this a great idea. It helps that it wouldn't take lots of effort to do.
I think this a great idea. It helps that it wouldn't take lots of effort to do.
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On vanilla servers, this is useful if you're planning on only using Ion and Atmospheric thrusters, and only need Hydrogen for your suit. A large 3x3x3 (27 block) tank is roughly 26 blocks more than you really require for your suit over the course of a year.
On modded servers (hydrogen oriented servers where hydrogen usage has been reduced), this is useful if you want 3x3x3 tanks to be intended for storage on stationary grids, and 1x1x1 or 1x1x2 tanks to be intended for transport. I for one have made it so that you need a 1x1x2 tank to leave an Earth-like planet, instead of a 3x3x3 tank like it works on vanilla. This means that starter ships (hydrogen) can remain small, with a small tank, and players can build smaller grids in general unless they deliberately aim to make grids bigger than they need to be.
The oxygen tank is also ridiculously large for one person. A full 1x1x2 oxygen tank will last for more many many years.
That said, we should be allowed to fill gas tanks with whatever type of gas we want, so it doesn't need to say "Oxygen" or "Hydrogen" on the side of the tanks. The type of gas we want to fill the tank with can be selected in settings. If we fill the tank with the wrong type of gas we can either "stockpile" the gas to another tank, or "eject" it prior to filling it with our gas of choice. This way we can keep the 1x1x2 and 3x3x3, and use them for whatever purpose we want.
On vanilla servers, this is useful if you're planning on only using Ion and Atmospheric thrusters, and only need Hydrogen for your suit. A large 3x3x3 (27 block) tank is roughly 26 blocks more than you really require for your suit over the course of a year.
On modded servers (hydrogen oriented servers where hydrogen usage has been reduced), this is useful if you want 3x3x3 tanks to be intended for storage on stationary grids, and 1x1x1 or 1x1x2 tanks to be intended for transport. I for one have made it so that you need a 1x1x2 tank to leave an Earth-like planet, instead of a 3x3x3 tank like it works on vanilla. This means that starter ships (hydrogen) can remain small, with a small tank, and players can build smaller grids in general unless they deliberately aim to make grids bigger than they need to be.
The oxygen tank is also ridiculously large for one person. A full 1x1x2 oxygen tank will last for more many many years.
That said, we should be allowed to fill gas tanks with whatever type of gas we want, so it doesn't need to say "Oxygen" or "Hydrogen" on the side of the tanks. The type of gas we want to fill the tank with can be selected in settings. If we fill the tank with the wrong type of gas we can either "stockpile" the gas to another tank, or "eject" it prior to filling it with our gas of choice. This way we can keep the 1x1x2 and 3x3x3, and use them for whatever purpose we want.
Bump- now that we are getting Hydrogen engines that would be perfect for small rovers and ships, we could really do with smaller Hydrogen and oxygen tanks in order to take advantage of them- the current tanks are just far too large for compact designs. This fact is compounded by the fact we are also getting smaller small grid batteries.
Come on Keen, get this done.
Bump- now that we are getting Hydrogen engines that would be perfect for small rovers and ships, we could really do with smaller Hydrogen and oxygen tanks in order to take advantage of them- the current tanks are just far too large for compact designs. This fact is compounded by the fact we are also getting smaller small grid batteries.
Come on Keen, get this done.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_density
Uranium (in breeder)Nuclear fission80,620,000
Hydrogen (liquid)Chemical142
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_density
Uranium (in breeder)Nuclear fission80,620,000
Hydrogen (liquid)Chemical142
While not really a solution to this, I do have a mod called OCD Compact Tanks
Both balanced and a slightly unbalanced version.
Since survival update is doubling vanilla tanks, i will be doubling the 'balanced' version to match this.
While not really a solution to this, I do have a mod called OCD Compact Tanks
Both balanced and a slightly unbalanced version.
Since survival update is doubling vanilla tanks, i will be doubling the 'balanced' version to match this.
The small ship tanks are fine but the big sized tank really could be smaller. I remember placing one the first time i thought i would have a big enough place but in the end i had to massivly expand the room. I mean its almost as big as a large cargo container..
The small ship tanks are fine but the big sized tank really could be smaller. I remember placing one the first time i thought i would have a big enough place but in the end i had to massivly expand the room. I mean its almost as big as a large cargo container..
Well as of the latest version, H2/O2 generators has had their flow rate massively nerfed, meaning the one way of making compact hydrogen ships is now dead.
Small hydrogen tanks are now needed more than ever.
Well as of the latest version, H2/O2 generators has had their flow rate massively nerfed, meaning the one way of making compact hydrogen ships is now dead.
Small hydrogen tanks are now needed more than ever.
Seriously? The only propulsion type that actually needs a two storages (ice and hydrongen) plus hydrongen generators, hydrogen tanks and a complete conveyor connection between all those gets nerved... while ion and jet drives still soak their "fuel" from reactors through the block grid themself.. while the reactors can also store the uranum ingots.
Great.. so i guess it was a good decision of mine to turn my back to this game .. weeks ago.
R.I.P Space engineers and go to hell KEEN.
Seriously? The only propulsion type that actually needs a two storages (ice and hydrongen) plus hydrongen generators, hydrogen tanks and a complete conveyor connection between all those gets nerved... while ion and jet drives still soak their "fuel" from reactors through the block grid themself.. while the reactors can also store the uranum ingots.
Great.. so i guess it was a good decision of mine to turn my back to this game .. weeks ago.
R.I.P Space engineers and go to hell KEEN.
BUMP- Marek, if you want to improve the game, don't make it harder to play and break players creations with questionable changes. undo the changes to H2O2 generators, and give us the smaller Hydrogen tanks we've been asking for for years...
BUMP- Marek, if you want to improve the game, don't make it harder to play and break players creations with questionable changes. undo the changes to H2O2 generators, and give us the smaller Hydrogen tanks we've been asking for for years...
Besides smaller tanks it would be nice if there were High pressure versions, ones that are the same size be hold several times the normal amount of gas, but with a downside that when the tank takes enough damage (and is not empty) it explodes (maybe have the explosion force proportional to the volume of gas currently in the tank), that way you have a trade off of safe but low capacity tanks on small and dangerous.
Besides smaller tanks it would be nice if there were High pressure versions, ones that are the same size be hold several times the normal amount of gas, but with a downside that when the tank takes enough damage (and is not empty) it explodes (maybe have the explosion force proportional to the volume of gas currently in the tank), that way you have a trade off of safe but low capacity tanks on small and dangerous.
I would at least like to see other hydrogen tank shapes if nothing else.
A long-skinny one or a very short tub would be a lot easier to deal with than this huge barrel.
I would at least like to see other hydrogen tank shapes if nothing else.
A long-skinny one or a very short tub would be a lot easier to deal with than this huge barrel.
When playing SE, smaller hydrogen tanks feels like they are missing from the game. They don't have to hold a lot of hydrogen. Just be easier to fit into smal ship builds.
Small tanks would also make a small ship more viable with one small tank and one small H2/O2 generator. You would not be able to fly for a long time, but you would be able to fly well during those short times between tank refills.
When playing SE, smaller hydrogen tanks feels like they are missing from the game. They don't have to hold a lot of hydrogen. Just be easier to fit into smal ship builds.
Small tanks would also make a small ship more viable with one small tank and one small H2/O2 generator. You would not be able to fly for a long time, but you would be able to fly well during those short times between tank refills.
I am using a mod that adds "tech blocks". Multilevel blocks like hand tools and weapons are. This extends the endgame.
And taking advantage of the oxygen tank model, they made the smaller hydrogen tanks.
It's not like other mods that specialize in solving this hydrogen tank issue. But it helps a lot.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1682499145
I am using a mod that adds "tech blocks". Multilevel blocks like hand tools and weapons are. This extends the endgame.
And taking advantage of the oxygen tank model, they made the smaller hydrogen tanks.
It's not like other mods that specialize in solving this hydrogen tank issue. But it helps a lot.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1682499145
We need liquid hydrogen tanks instead, commpressed version should fix problems with storage, so mods with smaller versions can be created!
We need liquid hydrogen tanks instead, commpressed version should fix problems with storage, so mods with smaller versions can be created!
Still no small tanks. Sad.
Still no small tanks. Sad.
To me, the best and easiest solution to this problem is to change the oxygen tank and the hydrogen tank to "small gas tank" and "large gas tank", then have a toggle in their settings to determine whether they store oxygen or hydrogen.
To me, the best and easiest solution to this problem is to change the oxygen tank and the hydrogen tank to "small gas tank" and "large gas tank", then have a toggle in their settings to determine whether they store oxygen or hydrogen.
Keen, I'm pretty sure you should mark it as done.
Keen, I'm pretty sure you should mark it as done.
Please can this be marked as complete and archived
Please can this be marked as complete and archived
mark this thread complete.
mark this thread complete.
This was implemented a major update or two ago, with the introduction of the small (1x2x2) hydrogen tank for small grids. As such this thread should probably be marked as completed.
This was implemented a major update or two ago, with the introduction of the small (1x2x2) hydrogen tank for small grids. As such this thread should probably be marked as completed.
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