Same Stone behavior for Survival Kit and refineries
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Since the basic and full refinery automatically turn stone into gravel, iron, silicon, and nickel... it would be great if the survival kit did the same. It would make the UI much cleaner and not have the need for the separate stone - ingot menu.
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Have you compared the conversion rates for stone to Fe,Si,Ni,Gravel in the survivalkit and basic refinery? Once there is a basic refinery aside from the survivalkit in the grid you'd want the basic one to have priority. Havent tested the large refinery yet.
Have you compared the conversion rates for stone to Fe,Si,Ni,Gravel in the survivalkit and basic refinery? Once there is a basic refinery aside from the survivalkit in the grid you'd want the basic one to have priority. Havent tested the large refinery yet.
No denying the basic and regular refinery have greater conversion rates, but since the survival kit is available for small grids I can see having one on a deep heavy haul miner and it would be beneficial to put it to work refining stone enroute.
No denying the basic and regular refinery have greater conversion rates, but since the survival kit is available for small grids I can see having one on a deep heavy haul miner and it would be beneficial to put it to work refining stone enroute.
That is exactly what I turned my moon spawn pod into. A 6-wheeler with 1 survival kit and 2 medium cargo modules. And surprisingly sturdy. I don't know why Keen chose this stone-ingot menu either. But it's easy to cue up ten-thousands of 500kg stone batches so it's semi-automatic. As soon as there is more than 500 stone in the conveyor system it will continue to count that down.
That is exactly what I turned my moon spawn pod into. A 6-wheeler with 1 survival kit and 2 medium cargo modules. And surprisingly sturdy. I don't know why Keen chose this stone-ingot menu either. But it's easy to cue up ten-thousands of 500kg stone batches so it's semi-automatic. As soon as there is more than 500 stone in the conveyor system it will continue to count that down.
I'm pretty sure Keen chose to make things that way because the Survival Kit acts like an Assembler, not a Refinery. It has to act like an Assembler to produce components for building basic blocks. To then mix in the Refinery's behavior of continuous ore conversion would be a bit tricky since the block would then have to act off of two sets of blueprints (one for behaving like an Assembler and another for behaving like a Refinery) on the same block and the same two slots of inventory. That then requires also modifying the code that filters what you can place into those inventories. And I'm sure the problems go on. The engine was designed with the concept in mind that a given block does only one thing. There are only a few exceptions to this (the Medical Bay, the Remote Control and now the Survival Kit are the only ones that I can think of) and those work by combining behaviors that don't compete.
I'm pretty sure Keen chose to make things that way because the Survival Kit acts like an Assembler, not a Refinery. It has to act like an Assembler to produce components for building basic blocks. To then mix in the Refinery's behavior of continuous ore conversion would be a bit tricky since the block would then have to act off of two sets of blueprints (one for behaving like an Assembler and another for behaving like a Refinery) on the same block and the same two slots of inventory. That then requires also modifying the code that filters what you can place into those inventories. And I'm sure the problems go on. The engine was designed with the concept in mind that a given block does only one thing. There are only a few exceptions to this (the Medical Bay, the Remote Control and now the Survival Kit are the only ones that I can think of) and those work by combining behaviors that don't compete.
There could be a simple button in the control panel of the survival kit that is “Stone to Ingot On/Off”
In my testing the survival kit will still pull stone in automatically but it’s small capacity means most of the recessing was still done by the Refineries.
The code for the varied inventory of refineries is already in place otherwise the survival kit wouldn’t function properly... stone goes into the inventory above the ingots output just like refineries and the assembler portion just draws from the output of the refinery inventory unlike the normal assemblers which use that upper portion for ingots and the lower for components.
There could be a simple button in the control panel of the survival kit that is “Stone to Ingot On/Off”
In my testing the survival kit will still pull stone in automatically but it’s small capacity means most of the recessing was still done by the Refineries.
The code for the varied inventory of refineries is already in place otherwise the survival kit wouldn’t function properly... stone goes into the inventory above the ingots output just like refineries and the assembler portion just draws from the output of the refinery inventory unlike the normal assemblers which use that upper portion for ingots and the lower for components.
If you combine both assembler and refinery in the survival block, will it start by refining stone or assembling components? That is a problem, priorities.
The survival block is perfect as it is and also pull in stone when there is "ingots" queued. (It should be called "Refine Stone") Changing any of its behavior is calling for clang or other unwanted entities.
If you answered both the question above, keep in mind the electricity consumption. 500-600 kw is a lot for a starter block.
If you combine both assembler and refinery in the survival block, will it start by refining stone or assembling components? That is a problem, priorities.
The survival block is perfect as it is and also pull in stone when there is "ingots" queued. (It should be called "Refine Stone") Changing any of its behavior is calling for clang or other unwanted entities.
If you answered both the question above, keep in mind the electricity consumption. 500-600 kw is a lot for a starter block.
I like the survival kit behavior as it is. A simple shift-ctrl click will set production to 1000, which will be enough for a long time. Once you have the basic refinery you no longer want the survival kit to process stone, so you can simply disable it by removing the production item. If it would automatically process stone you would have to force it to stop doing that with a sorter, which is pointlessly complicated.
I like the survival kit behavior as it is. A simple shift-ctrl click will set production to 1000, which will be enough for a long time. Once you have the basic refinery you no longer want the survival kit to process stone, so you can simply disable it by removing the production item. If it would automatically process stone you would have to force it to stop doing that with a sorter, which is pointlessly complicated.
What I find problematic about the survival kits is that the perspective of refining ore should be from the ore side as in “process this Ore” , not “make me these Ingots.” Anyone attempting to add custom ores that produce multiple ingots is going to have a hard time because it seems to be tied to the Ingot icon of one of a multiple output recipe instead of a defined ore icon.
The lack of being able to make gas bottles or process ice is also an issue.
What I find problematic about the survival kits is that the perspective of refining ore should be from the ore side as in “process this Ore” , not “make me these Ingots.” Anyone attempting to add custom ores that produce multiple ingots is going to have a hard time because it seems to be tied to the Ingot icon of one of a multiple output recipe instead of a defined ore icon.
The lack of being able to make gas bottles or process ice is also an issue.
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